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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society

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The Noetic Society is a 501(c)(3) non-profit group with members in Southern California and around the world, who have been inspired to study Homer, Parmenides, the pre-Socratics, Plato, the neo-Platonists, and other perennial philosophers and mystics, not for academic reasons, but for personal spiritual growth. The society was founded by Pierre Grimes, PhD in 1967, and was incorporated in 1978.



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Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our work from last week on getting a unified understanding of the Logos, from Proclus’ Elements of Theology . Is or is not the Logos a god (in Proclean terms)? How can we figure that out, using the text itself? Highlights 6:55pm PDT warm-up (with Charles and Barbara): Ways to learn ancient Greek more organically/naturally 7:08 Continuation with the Logos in Proclus’ Elements of Theology 7:15 Can we say the Logos...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, elements-of-theology, prop008, prop007, prop123, prop121, prop158,...
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. Pierre starts out asking several of us -- regarding last week's 3 meetings ( Fri , Sat , Sun ) on the Logos in Proclus' Elements of Theology : What's it like exploring and trying to come to an understanding of the Logos? Highlights What's it like exploring and trying to come to an understanding of the Logos? 7:27 with Barbara, on Proposition 123 What is the relationship between a particular activity and its parent (where it comes...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, theology-of-plato, elements-of-theology, book03, chap01, prop123,...
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue with our assignment from last week, looking for Logos in any of the propositions of Proclus' Elements of Theology . Pierre takes it further and has us also look at Providence and connect them. Regina and Barbara kick it off by offering propositions 18 and 19. Highlights 7:07pm PDT can you show the key ideas in proposition 19 by exploring the idea of Providence? 7:08 as you look at the structure of Proclus' dialectic on...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, commentary-on-parmenides, elements-of-theology, book05,...
Synopsis Another interesting Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. First, Kate explores a dream with Pierre. Then we look at a paper Bradley wrote, answering Pierre's assignment to compare dream analysis with philosophical midwifery. This leads to a discussion on Beauty, Justice, building of ideas, and how Socrates was acting in the Republic , the Parmenides , and all the dialogues. Highlights 7:02pm PDT Dream Exploration with Kate 7:30 Bradley's paper comparing dream analysis with...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM, republic, book01, parmenides
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Synopsis Another great Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. And Jeremy (who now lives out of state) brings in some friends. Pierre asks us to consider the Proclean dialectic, and compare to the Parmenidean one, and ask ourselves what Plato and Proclus both are doing. Highlights 7:04pm PDT The Dialectic: What have you discovered about it? 7:10 DavidC: What is the difference between dialogue and dialectic, and if not, how does the prior become the latter? 7:10 Any difficulties as you...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, commentary-on-parmenides, book05, proclus
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May 14, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another curious Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. With Plato's Republic in mind, Pierre exhorts us to look into figuring out what Plato calls the “dialectic” (which Plato refers to, but does not delineate), and to ask ourselves what is “Being”, as Plato uses that term, and how one gets there, and what one would do (with it) having done so. Highlights 7:01 Did Plato develop a dialectic? 7:07 If you have this dialectic, what are you supposed to do with it? 7:24...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book06
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We take a look at Plato's Parmenides , 3rd hypothesis. Highlights Reading. Rest, Motion, Self, Logos 7:55pm Praise the Logos? Instant/Gap? 7:56pm According to this argument, Time is an illusion 7:58pm We infer motion. But each frame is separate and distinct, has its own mode of being, as determined by the Logos 8:03pm a snapshot 8:04pm now go back and look at Plotinus 6.2.21 8:19pm what is Plotinus doing? Can we relate it to what...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, enneads, hyp3, ennead06, plotinus
Synopsis Another interesting Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. Does Plato make us do the work of pulling together what Being is? Highlights 6:57pm PST David Hume and Plato: Does either write their true philosophy? So what are the key points that Plato is not going to explain? 7:00 Can you go into Plato or Proclus and find a statement about the importance of the nature of “Being”? How are you going to come to know Being? What does it take? Does Plato help you in any way? 7:02...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book06, book07
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Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our study of the analogy of the Sun, this time from the point of view of Pierre's question on whether we are in a “closed” system (no help from above). Highlights 6:53pm PST warm-ups with Jed: studying Sun analogy and the question of help from above with Kate: Any such thing as good families? 6:58 What do you guys think of being in a “closed” system? (Beings on the lower are trying to work their way up to the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book06
Synopsis Another Friday night NS meeting with Pierre. We look at a couple of dreams, and with the remaining time, Pierre opens it up to some questions. Highlights 19:11 Dream Exploration: Belinda 19:49 Dream Exploration: DavidC 20:12 discussion 20:18 open questions Bradley on the One changing in the 3rd Hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides 20:27 Regina: any difference between a paradigm and a model? 20:43 Ouspensky: A New Model of the Universe Lobachevsky: Just one change: Parallel lines do meet....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Apr 2, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another curious and fun Friday night NS meeting with Pierre on Zoom. Highlights Warm-up discussion as folks wander in (mostly with Belinda) Do you follow the practice of Phronesis? (Ancient Greek: φρόνησῐς, romanized: phrónēsis) Plato: Intelligence is not enough: People should also have phronesis. Also Homer: When you think that anything that you can do could make it better, or more excellent: Those two have to go together. Because "excellent" doesn't necessarily...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. Highlights Warm-up chat: previously-announced seminar that didn't happen DavidC: the Vatican, and studying Latin in Rome Dream Exploration: Barbara Dream Exploration: Bradley 8:40 More time with Plotinus 6.2.21 Identify the activity of “seeing” repeatedly in this article Line up with each one of them, what is being done The Intellect (nous) is a Whole, full of intelligences/ideas/beholdings (not concepts), each of which is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, enneads, ennead06
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Mar 19, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our reading of this section of the Timaeus and the question of what Plato wants us to contemplate. Highlights 7:15pm What issue is it that Plato is urging us to contemplate? Does Plato describe an object of contemplation which he wants us to direct our attention to? to reflect on Self Contemplating the Intelligible and its Source How do you put this contemplation into motion? Reading 51e-52a Why did he have to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, timaeus
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Mar 12, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our discussion of Plotinus 6.2.21, which gets us into Timaeus and Nous. Highlights Plotinus 6.2.21, Continued 7:04:30pm PST Chris asks: What are the four genera? A Study in what Plotinus calls, “Seeing” An Exploration of “Nous-ing and Logos-ing” Does Plotinus have a certain development? Compare Plotinus’ first and last descriptions of “seeing” Discussion of “seeing” in the greek with Barbara and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, timaeus, enneads, plotinus
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Feb 26, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fascinating Friday night with Pierre and members of the Noetic Society. Pierre starts us out with a 4 term analogy and a movie screen as an analogue for the Self, then Pierre midwifes JulieH on a recent dream, and KateS on past scenes compared to a state of mind she went through recently. Highlights A study of mirrors What makes movies possible? What does the mirror do when you aren't looking at it? What conditions must the mirror meet in order to do its job? How about a Movie?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Feb 19, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS. First a discussion of midwifery, ending up in a discussion of understanding, knowing, and a little more on the Divided Line. A dream exploration with Sayon. Highlights Discussion When can a person say they have a problem? Different (higher) definition of “problem”. When a person comes to you, it should only be because they are having difficulties There should be sufficient evidence the person is having the difficulties they describe You...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM, pmw
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS. Dreamwork with Regina, and discussion of philosophical counseling. Highlights warm-up the Olsen article(1) Regina's News Philosophical Counseling, various issues Tonight's Homework has been moved to next Friday (since only 2 did it for today): See Homework section, below. Dream exploration with Regina Discussion with Aram about presentation this coming Sunday about what he found problematic with last Friday's dream exploration with Jed ....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Jan 29, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another interesting Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We explore recent dreams from JeffL, ChrisC, and Ged. Highlights Dream explorations: JeffL, ChrisC, and Ged Dream Texts JeffL's Dream -- Fri 29 Jan 2021 1 I'm at my buddy Johnny’s house and I think we’re in Reno although it’s not clear.(I think so) It’s Johnny, Devon, Justin and myself. All guys I knew from high school and just after times. I’m sitting there in a chair or on the ground I think I’m on the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. A bit of Phaedo discussion and then a dream exploration with Josh. Highlights Josh's and Jed's Phaedo question at 75A (using the Balboa Translation ). the only way to come through self-realization is through perception. Would you agree all perceptions are identical? (Cebes: Yes) then if this whole world through our sense-perception is set up for us to have self-realization, then what is this in front of us that we are...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo, NSDRM
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Jan 15, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We explore a couple of dreams. Highlights Dream Explorations: Aram and JeffL Pierre spends a little extra time during these explorations to outline where he is using each of the DDDAS (Definition, Demonstration, Division, Analysis, and Synthesis) from Proclus -- the basis of a dialectic with dream work. Some of our earlier discussions on DDDAS are here Dream Texts Aram's Dream -- Thu 14 Jan 2021 Part 1 i am in a cafe. my usual...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, commentary-on-platos-parmenides, NSDRM, proclus
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Jan 8, 2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Brief discussion of the U.S. Capitol building mess, and three dream explorations. Highlights Warm up discussion with Josh's question to his students in his class, whether any other teachers discussed the event, and PG asks: What can we do with this, politically, historically? Is there always this fringe group that plays itself out in history, irreversibly? Dream Explorations with Jed, JulieH, and Sayon Quote Fascist mentality is the mentality of the "little man," who is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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2021 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the Noetic Society. Pierre midwifes Josh and Belinda on their recent dreams. Highlights Philosophical Midwifery: Not a creation. A natural way of reasoning Dream exploration with Josh Dream exploration with Belinda Do we all want to see? And we are hurt when we are blocked from seeing? Dream Texts Josh’s Dream 1 – Sat 19 Dec 2020 I am looking for surfboards, I am searching for surfboards all throughout the night. I am excited and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Synopsis On this Friday night with Pierre, we explore 2 of the Hymns of Orpheus, and touch on Plato’s Republic and Phaedrus . At the end, Pierre midwifes KateS. Highlights We read Orphic Hymn 69 - To the Furies(1) Pierre: To understand the Orphic hymns, one needs to know Proclus, as he covered the hymns PG asks what would happen if we read this at the holidays instead Belinda offers that there is a section of the hymns that her father had done so at Christmas each year, and one time she...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, hymns-of-orpheus, hymn69, hymn86, orpheus
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Synopsis Dream Explorations and Philosophical Midwifery on this Friday night with Pierre and members of the Noetic Society. Highlights warm-up exploration of a sitting thought with JeffL PMW with KateS on her writing project dream exploration with Bradley dream exploration with Jed Dream Texts JeffL’s Sitting Fantasy 12/17/20 sitting. calm,clear,quiet,silence. then - “So what that ( the silent state) doesn’t do anything.” annoyed,irritated Bradley’s Dream I was in this kinda NS party,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM, NSPMW
Synopsis Another great Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. Highlights continuation with Kate of her talk with Pierre on Wednesday our educational system and its lack of personal insight the ‘Myth of Er’ in the conclusion of Plato's Republic Plato’s goals are not Socrates’ goals nor Parmenides’ goals is it curious that in the Myth of Er, there is no philosopher that is being judged? Did Plato goof? How should we grade him? What standard shall we use? The 10 ox-herding...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, 7th-letter, three-pillars-of-zen, NSDRM, kapleau
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Synopsis On this Friday night, Pierre asks us to consider what criterion Plato is using to reject Homer so frequently in his Republic . Highlights what is going on in books 9 and 10 of Plato’s Republic ? book 10: if Plato is criticizing/rejecting Homer, what is the reason? what kinds of answers truly answer questions? Imitation vs Truth and Virtue What does it take to master Plato? Plato’s criticism of Homer’s view of the gods How does Plato view them? Does he reject only what is being...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, iliad, odyyssey, book10, homer
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Nov 13, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A Friday night with Pierre and the gang. We continue our looking into Book 8 of Plato’s Republic and the various constitutions, or kinds of souls, modelled after the 5 types listed in Book 8. Highlights JeffL: who would represent the ‘Democratic man’ (democratic in the Republic sense) America: 50% Plato’s psychology: the descent in tyranny of any individual soul Given Plato’s analysis in Book 8, is there any way out? Is this another example of Plato having the right question,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book08
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Oct 30, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A Friday night with Pierre and some of the NS members on Zoom. Most of the conversation tonight is about Trump and how philosophy (and especially Pierre’s Philosophical Midwifery) might be able to clear up the problem of fascist (and nationalist) thinking in our country and the world. Highlights Trump and Fascism: An opportunity for learning and philosophy Midwifing a Nation A 6 term analogy Trump’s neice’s book Why do we put up with tyrants? What does it take to wake up our...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1
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Oct 23, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Discussion of beginning of Plato’s Republic again with Jed; Three dream explorations; a question about Appolonius from Chris Highlights Third go with with Jed attempting to answer Pierre’s question about what is going on on page 1 of Plato’s Republic: Why does Socrates stay in the Piraeus and go with Glaucon to Cephalus’ house, and not return to Athens? How do you spot a reason? How do you recognize a motive? What conclusions are definitive, i.e., they solve the problem? Dream...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book01, NSDRM
Synopsis Another interesting, curious Friday evening with Pierre.. This time discussing multiple subjects, and doing one dream. Highlights Regina will be teaching a (Euclid’s) Geometry class using Rod Walbank’s model which he taught her in his class Literalism Dream analysis Pierre’s story about Enlightenment, and Reincarnation Understanding Symmetry Every single principle necessary for the dialectic emerges from the 4th dimension. Sensation, Perceptions, Concepts, Intuition Why the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book01, NSDRM
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Synopsis Pierre introduces a question across Plato’s dialogues. Then he helps Jed, Chris, and Regina explore their dreams. Highlights Consider the ending of each of Plato’s dialogues: Did the person learn or change? (The real issue is courage .) Jed’s dream exploration, and post-discussion about midwifery Dream explorations with Chris and Regina Dream Texts Ged’s Dream – Sat 3 Oct 2020 SCENE 1 My friend Heath had gone to a prison, and when i walked to the prison with him i had given...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Sep 18, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Regina explores a dream with Pierre. Later Pierre asks us to consider why all religions and spiritual systems avoid the question of why we are here, why the soul wants to be reborn, and what is the purpose of our existence? Highlights Regina’s dream exploration with Pierre, and encouragement to write on the Self Plato goofed. All religions and spiritual systems have the same problem, and therefore, they are all inadequate. None of them ask, “Why am I here?”, and “Why does the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre. We read in the Morrow & Dillon translation of Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides . Pierre encourages us, as usual, to read carefully, and to see where Proclus misses the mark, but also where he is brilliant. Highlights Book 6, sections 1071-2, p 424(1) Section ii - The Type of Discourse Suitable to the Subject What is being described here? Moving from Real Being to the One What steps must one take to do so? Proclus does not specify What...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, commentary-on-platos-parmenides, book06, proclus
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Aug 28, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis JeffL and KateS explore their recent dreams with Pierre on a Friday night. Pierre gives us all tips on philosophical midwifery, and its relationship to philosophy and dreams. Highlights 7:10 Does PMW presuppose a platonic philosophy and Dreamwork and PMW is not for personal enhancement. It is for philosophy It’s not just for getting into our psychology, but working on more noble goals. JeffL’s dream The qualities of Justice as described in Book 6 of Plato’s Republic What does a...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
Title Plato: Lysis; Proclus: Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides DDDAS and the Virtues (and their Lack) in Every Past Pathologos Scene Synopsis We were supposed to start this beginner/dialogue track this Friday night, with Plato’s Lysis . It was to be a beginner’s meeting, but it ends up being advanced, talking about Proclus after all, and DDDAS (Definition, Demonstration, Division, Analysis and Synthesis), as well as the Virtues and Philosophical Midwifery. Highlights Why Lysis? Why did...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, lysis, commentary-on-parmenides, book05, proclus
Synopsis On a Friday night we continue to look into the 7 causes (detailed in the Balboa document ), and the pathologos and midwifery. Do we need 1 or 2 more causes to account for the pathologos and perhaps also for midwifery? Highlights Must we ask, “What kinds of things have causes?”? What does each of the 7 causes presuppose? That something has come into existence? Does a PL have life? Or not? Thus must it account for “creation”, whenever something has come into existence? What gives...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, commentary-on-alcibiades, alcibiades, cratylus,...
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS, on Jitsi. Pierre asks us to see if we can see the 7 causes in Pierre’s Philosophical Midwifery. Highlights First we make a drawing Example: making a barn workman (efficient/creative cause) plan () for some purpose (that for the sake of which it came into existence) (final cause) instrumental ideal/ideas pragmata (model maker, substance of a model) Self itself emerging, abiding and returning to itself. (Supreme/final cause) Proclus spends...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, commentary-on-alcibiades, philosophical-midwifery, proclus, grimes
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Synopsis On a Friday night we continue to look into the 7 causes (detailed in the Balboa document ), and how to approach understanding them. We look at ‘Cause’ in Plato’s Timaeus . Highlights Niko asks a queston about the Cratylus regarding the shuttle Pierre asks: What is the approach you are using to make sense of these 7 causes: what they are and how Plato uses them? What is your method? Eldar, Barbara, Regina, Philly, Sean, and Jed are all asked how they approach understanding the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, timaeus, cratylus, commentary-on-alcibiades, proclus
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS, on Jitsi. What is the 7th Cause? What is the Paradigmatic Cause? Is there a way to distinguish among the many goals that people have that they call their good, and find one that is truly better? Highlights Discussion with Jed about the Final Cause How do we make sense of the 7th Cause? A house An example in the Cratylus How does a person know that they are on the right path? How do you know when you are on the road to Reality? How do you...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, alcibiades, cratylus, commentary-on-alcibiades,...
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Jun 26, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis After exploring JeffL’s dream , Pierre has us look again at the first few lines of the First Hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . Highlights (with JulieH) reading of first three lines of Hyp1 (2018-jas-formatted version) How do the parts know where to go? Do some wholes comprehend the parts, and others do not? How does a part become a part of a whole? Is Part/Whole an invention we’ve made? Where does the Intelligibility come from? As you look at the first page now, the first 5...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 12, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Friday evening with Pierre and the gang. About an hour and three quarters spent exploring two dreams , sandwiched between about 20 minutes of questions from our members (here). Topic Highlights First few minutes: KevinG asks what is the relation between Self and the Destiny of Man Then we spend the majority of the evening exploring dreams Last few minutes: Jed’s question How can an “If” statement (like the 9 hypotheses we find in the Parmenides) lead to Truth? How can...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
Synopsis Tonight we continue our study of Plato’s Parmenides . Pierre had asked us to bring with us to tonight’s discussion any questions we have on the first hypothesis. So he fields questions from Regina, JeffL, and Ged. Barbara does bring up another issue, but we never came back around to it. Perhaps we will tomorrow . At about 0:13:19, Pierre stops to explore a dream with Regina , which I spliced out into a separate recording. Then we return here to continue our discussion of the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSPMW, ion, being-the-one
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Synopsis This Friday night, we continue working on Plato’s Ion with Pierre. Our ‘homework’ for today had been to read (or re-read) book 1 of Plato’s Republic – usually we use the Rouse ( ISBN:978-0451471703 ) or the Balboa – and collect a list of the points made there about what an ‘art’ is, so that we could consider its applicability here in the Ion . Most of Pierre’s questions are below. For more study questions and discussion, please see also our other sessions on the Ion...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, ion, republic, iliad, homer
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May 22, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We mostly explore the Parmenides Prologue and 1st hypothesis on this Friday night Jitsi with Pierre. There are several cuts, because Pierre explores a dream with Philly , and also at one point Pierre’s connection goes out, and we discuss Parmenides in pieces and a little of the Ion, while we to wait about half an hour for Pierre to return. Topic Highlights Chit-chat with Regina and Eldar on what they’ve been up to Barbara’s question to Pierre about peri (‘about’, not...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, plg, hyp1
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Synopsis We spend another Friday night with Pierre, first doing some dreams and then (here) studying the first hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides , ( Balboa translation ). We start out by taking a look at some of the first exchanges in the second hypothesis and comparing the terms there with those used in the first. Topic Highlights In the opening paragraphs of the Hyp2, and can we see anything going on there that has its parallel with Hyp1? In H2, he has to make sure that we the reader...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, plg, hyp1, hyp2
Synopsis A fun and intense Friday evening with Pierre over Jitsi. First, we do some dreams . Then we return and dive into a discussion of the Parmenides. Pierre gives us new instructions on how to read -- using a process he defines as intuition -- Plato's Parmenides itself, by being informed by Proclus’ works, Theology of Plato (T.Taylor) and Commentary on Plato's Parmenides (Dillon/Morrow). Parmenides 1st hypothesis: Discussion (with Bradley) of the first two lines of the 1st hypothesis, and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, commentary-on-platos-parmenides, theology-of-plato,...
Synopsis Pierre continues to take us through his Athens paper, making the case for a tradition of philosophical midwifery in Homer's time. Today we review step four of Pierre's five points: Dealing with the consequences of the pathologos problem. As before, we particularly reference both of Pierre's “Struggle for Excellence” papers: the 2004 Athens conference paper and its 2005 APPA journal article derivative . Original Location https://archive.org/details/20200501NSFRI Usage License CC...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, struggle-for-excellence, homer, grimes
Synopsis Another Friday night meeting Jitsi'ing with Pierre. Dreams from Jed, Belinda, and Grace. We discuss where to go next given Pierre's letter (below). We end up reading the first 20 ‘interactions’ between Parmenides and Aristoteles in the 1st hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides ( Balboa translation ), and discuss its conclusions regarding the Self. Topic Highlights Pre-discussion: Pierre asks EricG to go over his paper comparing his understanding of midwifery (actually, the pathologos)...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSDRM
Synopsis On this Friday night, we Jitsi with Pierre, still on Book 24 of Homer's Iliad . He has us looking primarily at how anger is dissolved in the primary combatants, as well as the others; what dissolves it; whether this work can thus be a model for our lives. Pierre's Questions to Us How can we tie the beginning of this work to the end? Is there a relationship? As Zeus lays out his plan, it plays itself out among all the people in book 24. What did each of them learn? How did it affect...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, phaedrus, book24, homer, nsvc
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Apr 3, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A Friday-night continuing to explore the autos -- Greek word 'αυτο' (Self) -- in the Iliad, Book 24, their usage, and implications, this time especially with how Self is used with reference to the gods. (Lines 105-198; Fitzgerald pages 571-3) Topic Highlights How are the gods functioning in book 24? How would you describe the order in the conversation that took place between zeus and the other gods that takes up 1/2 of that chapter? What is going on? What is zeus achieving? How is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book24, homer, nsvc
Synopsis Barbara leads our NS Friday night gang through some more of the occurrences of 'αυτο' (Self), found in Homer's Iliad, Book 23. (She has made a list, in two formats, which we follow -- see below, in Study Materials.) Study Materials Fitzgerald Translation : We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad (there are several editions of this, but one is ISBN-10: 0374529051, ISBN-13: 978-0374529055). This can sometimes also be found online in PDF format. Balboa Translation : Our...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
This Friday night was three-part: First, DonB gives us a talk on the latest work he has been doing on the abiding, proceeding, and returning of the Self. Next (starting at about 0:23:15) Pierre has us consider two main uses of the idea of 'Self'. Finally, we get into Homer's Iliad again (Book 23), with the Fitzgerald version, and Barbara's notes on the autos. Study Materials Fitzgerald Translation : We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad (there are several editions of this, but...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
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Feb 14, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Tonight we continue looking at the auto's in Book 23 of Homer's Iliad . Study Materials Fitzgerald Translation : We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad (there are several editions of this, but one is ISBN-10: 0374529051, ISBN-13: 978-0374529055). This can sometimes also be found online in PDF format. Balboa Translation : Our own Juan and Maria Balboa offer their helpful Greek-English interlinear and colorized translation of the Iliad (with the auto's translated properly...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
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Feb 7, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis In this first part of 3 parts of Friday night, I turned on the camera late, at the end of a talk Pierre was having with SteveD about Socrates' appraisal of Zeno's statements in Plato's Parmenides . So I asked Pierre if he would kindly review their discussion for the camera -- and I could not resist some questions, myself. -JS A JPEG of the board he is pointing to is available in the Download Options menu on this page. Technical Issues This is the first short talk of 3 talks given on...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, plg
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Feb 7, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We continue with Homer's Iliad , Fitzgerald edition, looking at the auto's (Self), with Barbara helping us with her prepared review of these, and how the meaning changes when auto is translated as Self. In particular, today we look at Achilles in the games, after the funeral. In each of these games/contests, Achilles makes a referee judgement. What do each of these judgements mean when they are taken together? What can we say therefore about Achilles and his state of mind? We may also...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
Synopsis Pierre's nicely prepared talk in response to a request from a nearby local Jungian society chapter, for a discussion of what was the inner voice ('daemon') of Socrates. The 6 diagrams are stored as JPEGs in the Download Options menu on this page. This is the second short talk of 3 talks given on the same Friday night. Because the content of each talk was so different, I split them up into 3 separate archive items: Part 1: Socrates' Understanding of Zeno's position in Plato's Parmenides...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, symposium, theology-of-plato, book07, proclus
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Synopsis Pierre opens up the question of what is a daemon in the Platonic world. Since Plato has emphasized rational daemons (such as the daemon, Love , in his Symposium , we have studied these before. Tonight Pierre reviews these, but also asks, what, then, is an irrational daemon? Note: Pierre later shared with me that he was not satisfied with tonight's talk, and that the talk he prepared and gave two weeks later on February 7th was much better organized and thought out. Topic Highlights...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, theology-of-plato, symposium, timaeus, cratylus, book07, chap45,...
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Jan 17, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads us through another Friday night, continuing our investigation of how 'properly' translating the 'autos' in Homer's Iliad raises the level of meaning in this work. We are, as usual, indebted to the great work of our own Barbara Stecker, who has identified and listed the locations in Book 23 where the autos occur, and provided possible re-interpretations of these phrases for us to consider. Pierre continues to have us ponder last week's question, but slightly reworded: Why...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
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Synopsis We continue our study of Homer's Iliad , this week jumping forward to Book 23. Pierre asks us to consider why the Greeks stop to participate in games. Why does Homer include this? Why is it necessary to the work? And also: Why at this point (Book 23) in the work? Why not earlier? We look at the first few occurrences of auto (Self) using the list of Self occurrences that Barbara provided for us (forthcoming). Study Materials Fitzgerald Translation : We read from the Fitzgerald...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book23, homer
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Jan 3, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the group through the rest of Book 11 of Homer's Iliad , with Barbara's help identifying and re-translating all the places where (αυτο, auto, “Self”) is not translated faithfully by Fitzgerald. This is in essence, a review of the homework assignment he gave us last week . Again, the questions are the same: How does Homer use the idea of “Self” (αυτο, auto)? Why does every translation of Homer's Iliad (and many other Greek works, including the New Testament)...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book11, homer
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Dec 27, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Having been studying Homer's Iliad lately, tonight Pierre gets us into Book 11, again considering the places where translators have traditionally not translated the word for “Self” (αυτο, auto) indeed as Self. We do not complete Book 11 tonight, but Pierre asks us to do so on our own for next week's meeting. How does Homer use the idea of “Self” (αυτο, auto)? Why does every translation of Homer's Iliad (and many other Greek works, including the New Testament) ignore the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book11, homer
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Dec 13, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Tonight in this short talk, Pierre has us focus on only one page (235 in most of the Fitzgerald printings, i.e., lines 145-208) of Book 10 of Homer's Iliad . Barbara has identified four uses of Self (αυτο) in these lines, and she reads the text, replacing the Fitzgerald translation with her own translation of Self (or selves) in these places. Pierre has us consider the difference(s). Is Homer giving the idea of Self an autonomous existence? What kind of a role are selves playing?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book10, homer
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Synopsis Before starting with dreams tonight, we got going with coffee and this question from Pierre. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20191129NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSCHAT
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Nov 22, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Study Materials We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad. Barbara's Auto's Document: Barbara has compiled study sheets with lists of the occurrences of the word, 'αυτο' (Self) in several books of the Iliad. Stored in PDF format here . Thank you, Barbara. Pierre's chart from this evening is posted as a JPEG in the Download Options menu. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20191122NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book10, homer
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Synopsis We held a little birthday party for Pierre on a Friday night, as usual around this time of year. (Not recorded) Then afterwards (recorded here), Pierre engaged us in a couple of dialogues on a similar theme: What is the relationship between daemons and the Logos? Original Location https://archive.org/details/20191115NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, symposium, parmenides
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Nov 8, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Pierre skips Iliad discussion tonight and opens it up to us for some good old question and answer.. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20191108NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1
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Nov 1, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Tonight we finish reading Book 9 of Homer's Iliad , and consider Achilles' (Akhilleus') response to Lord Phoenix's speech. While reading, we consider the role of αυτο (auto, or 'Self') where it appears in the text. Next week: Book 10 Study Materials We read from the Fitzgerald translation of the Iliad. Barbara's Auto's Document: Barbara has compiled study sheets with lists of the occurrences of the word, 'αυτο' (Self) in several books of the Iliad. Stored in PDF format here ....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book09, homer
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Oct 25, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Tonight Pierre points to the kinds of parallels we might work on finding between the two stories Lord Phoenix tells (of his own life, and of the saga of Meléagros) and Akhilleus' situation. Highlights How alert/aware is Lord Phoenix to what he is doing? (Bradley: And why now?) Barbara reads Book 9, from about Line 400 / page 219 in many printings (“Akhilleus, if it is true you set your heart on home..”) to “..even though you turn the tide of war.” (Fitzgerald) Comparing a...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book09, homer
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Oct 11, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We continue with our (re)exploration of Homer's Iliad . This week, we read the Fitzgerald translation of part of Book 9. First we read Achilles' speech, his answer to Odysseus about how he feels about himself and the situation. Then we move on to Lord Phoenix's re-telling of his own raising of Achilles and we take beginning note of how the things that happened to Lord Phoenix match 1-for-1 to the things that happened to Achilles -- an indication of a likely pathologos transmission....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book09, homer
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Sep 27, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190927NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, alcibiades1
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Sep 13, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This is the 2nd session of looking at the  'αυτο's ('Self's) in Plato's diaglogue, First Alcibiades . (The first session was last week, Sept 6 .) For this occasion, Juan and Maria Balboa have supplied us with a quick translation of Stephanus pages 128d-135d (the end of the dialogue). Nancy and Eldar come to the front of the room and read from this new translation. This is basically all we do in this week's session -- no subsequent discussion. We will not meet next week (9/20) but...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, alcibiades1
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Sep 6, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis We begin taking a look at all the auto's (self's) in the Greek of Plato's First Alcibiades, and considering how a retranslation of each or some of these makes any difference to the dialogue. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190906NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, alcibiades1
Synopsis Pierre asks us: “Knowing The Role of Self in Plato, the Gospel of John, Homer's Iliad, and Proclus: What Difference Has it Made for You?” Highlights Have you come to know the role of the Self in Plato, the Gospel of John, Homer's Iliad, and Proclus? If so, what effect has it had on your life? When would you have liked to know this? Gospel of Mark - it's not in there. Is there a denial going on? If there is, it is consistent with the writings of Paul. How would psychology be...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, gospel-of-mark, iliad, homer, mark
Synopsis As is some times the case, the evening began impromptu: Only a few had so far trickled in, so Pierre picked up conversations with each of us to see what we are into. He landed on JulieH, who had finished her transcripts of the July 4th (NSSPE) and 6th (NSSAT) gatherings, and had brought along a copy of the July 6th transcript. The discussion was not on camera, but Regina and I caught it on our audio-recorders.  In later segments (before and after the evening's dream work ), Pierre...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, plg
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Aug 16, 2019 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre has us consider the central place of Book 20 in Homer's Iliad , and how the gods are functioning in this work. Highlights What would a Greek see in Book 20? Why is Book 20 necessary? Why is Book 20 central to the work? How is each of the gods functioning, and what is the response of Zeus? Are all the gods inspiring both the Trojans and the Acheians? What effect would these conclusions have on you as a Greek? Are there gods? Do they share the same vision (with each other)? Do...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, iliad, book20, homer